What response to multi? weak and distributional hand
#1
Posted 2014-October-11, 04:01
♥xx ♦QTxxxxx ♣Jxxx
Anything to say?
[multi is weak 2M, strong acol 2 in the minors, or massive balanced]
#2
Posted 2014-October-11, 04:54
If you didn't have the massive balanced hand in the multi, you could pass.
What would
2♦-(p)-2♥-(p)
2♠-(p)-2NT/3♣/♦/♥ mean?
I think a sensible agreement is that
2nt=weak one-suiter, opener bids 3♣
3♣/♦: weak with 5-5 in that suit+hearts
#3
Posted 2014-October-11, 07:51
#4
Posted 2014-October-11, 09:11
Opps have one or both majors .
I don't think we want to play in 2H or 2S doubled .
TWOferBRIDGE
"imo by far in bridge the least understood concept is how to bid over a jump-shift
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#7
Posted 2014-October-11, 09:40
Cyberyeti, on 2014-October-11, 09:17, said:
duhh... I overlooked the strong option ; so, I guess I'm forced to bid 2H .
TWOferBRIDGE
"imo by far in bridge the least understood concept is how to bid over a jump-shift
( 1M-1NT!-3m-?? )." ....Justin Lall
" Did someone mention relays? " .... Zelandakh
K-Rex to Mikeh : " Sometimes you drive me nuts " .
#8
Posted 2014-October-11, 10:12
TWO4BRIDGE, on 2014-October-11, 09:40, said:
It would be interesting to see a simulation as to what the chance of a strong hand is after 2♦-P with this hand, presumably one of partner and LHO has a big hand, but not sure what the odds are. It's a difficult sim to do as codifying which hands open a strong 2m and which hands pass over the multi are somewhat subjective.
#9
Posted 2014-October-11, 10:28
#10
Posted 2014-October-11, 11:01
-- Bertrand Russell
#11
Posted 2014-October-11, 11:12
So I was wondering if you could reconcile the desire to make an obstructive bid here that puts pressure on opps, whilst catering for the slight possibility that pard has a big hand. Maybe you can't?
(Massive balanced is 24/25 for us, so once in a blue moon).
#13
Posted 2014-October-11, 11:30
gszes, on 2014-October-11, 11:28, said:
I don't think it should.
-- Bertrand Russell
#14
Posted 2014-October-11, 11:33
p will be shorter in dia than usual. Try to survive those weak hands with
2h (convert 2sx to 3d since you know 2sx is a disaster)
and hope for once p has a strong hand where we can show our diamonds later.
#15
Posted 2014-October-11, 20:53
gszes, on 2014-October-11, 11:28, said:
Lots of people play that it suggests 3H and an invite is gonna go through 2NT. I think this is more reasonable. It does mean that if you'd like to play 4H but only 2S you are kinda screwed, but what can you do.
#16
Posted 2014-October-11, 20:53
gszes, on 2014-October-11, 11:28, said:
Lots of people play that it suggests 3H and an invite is gonna go through 2NT. I think this is more reasonable. It does mean that if you'd like to play 4H but only 2S you are kinda screwed, but what can you do.
#17
Posted 2014-October-11, 21:53
wank, on 2014-October-11, 09:36, said:
I agree,but this op does so your reply is totally unhelpful. I bid 2H.
#18
Posted 2014-October-12, 00:55
2.) Even if partner has the strong hand, I am passing this. And then changing the bid after the game so that it's weak-only and much more pre-emptive/fun!
"Learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long enough to make them all yourself."
"One advantage of bad bidding is that you get practice at playing atrocious contracts."
-Alfred Sheinwold
#19
Posted 2014-October-12, 02:41
wank, on 2014-October-11, 09:36, said:
Why not? The point of play 2 DIAMONDS as multi is precisely that opener gets to bid again with a strong hand.
If you're going to play it as weak only, you might as well open 2♥ as multi, which is much more annoying to the opponents
#20
Posted 2014-October-12, 03:22
whereagles, on 2014-October-12, 02:41, said:
If you're going to play it as weak only, you might as well open 2♥ as multi, which is much more annoying to the opponents
And this is why the 2♥ bid you describe is banned in the UK in most events.
Your weak options have to have an anchor suit, if not your either/or may not contain the suit opened.