[Cascade]

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You know how it works.

[gwnn]

none.

[nigel_k]

I know you are supposed to have 8 playing tricks to overcall at the two level vulnerable on these forums, but I would have no problem overcalling 2♣ with North.

[gwnn]

I like overcalling on iffy suits or iffy hands or even both but I don't like overcalling when half my hand is in RHO's suit! It must be unlucky to have a 10 card fit with CHO when you have a 10 card fit with RHO as well

[Cascade]

nigel_k, on 2011-January-10, 04:00, said:

I know you are supposed to have 8 playing tricks to overcall at the two level vulnerable on these forums, but I would have no problem overcalling 2♣ with North.

I seem to get into a lot of trouble when i bid on this sort of hand. Partner bids hearts forever too often and I have nowhere else to go.

[gnasher]

I wouldn't blame anyone for this - whether to overcall the North hand is a matter of style.

Personally I'd overcall, and I wouldn't be overly worried about partner's bidding hearts. If he starts making constructive noises he'll usually have a couple of clubs, so 3♣ should be OK. The main danger of overcalling 2♣ is that we get doubled in 2♣, they play trumps early, and then we lose about eight black-suit tricks.

[rhm]

I do not like North's second pass (except playing total points), though it could obviously have been right.
Having not over called immediately, 3♣ should show such a hand, not some sort of fit.

Rainer Herrmann

[whereagles]

I don't know what 3♣ 2nd round should show, but I'm going to bid it. Reason: the long spades make it likely pard has residual club fit.

[hotShot]

No blame.

I might have bid 2♣ over 1♠, but usually not at these colors.

Holding 5♠, I'm quite sure that opps don't have a ♠ fit, and that means there is a chance that neither side has a fit.
So I have sympathy for passing 2♥, because we will play that undoubled, otherwise I can still run to ♣ or maybe LHO runs to 2♠.

[marcD]

I would not overcall 2♣ with this hand (not my style but works well on this hand) and i'm afraid 3♣ would definitely show at least some heart tolerance . Therefore pass is clear cut for me which is not a success looking at both hands ( no double no trouble) . I will reconsider if 2 ♥ get doubled (even then not so clear to run as partner figures to have a decent heart suit and possibly a heart diamond 2 suiter ; clearer to run at MP where the 2♥ is more likely to be some sort of prebalancing

[gwnn]

gnasher, on 2011-January-10, 04:25, said:

I wouldn't blame anyone for this - whether to overcall the North hand is a matter of style.

Personally I'd overcall, and I wouldn't be overly worried about partner's bidding hearts. If he starts making constructive noises he'll usually have a couple of clubs, so 3♣ should be OK. The main danger of overcalling 2♣ is that we get doubled in 2♣, they play trumps early, and then we lose about eight black-suit tricks.

I always found that when I overcalled on suboptimal values / odr, the worst thing that happened was I got passed out and no partscore had any play. I suppose selective memory plays a role in my recollections, though.

[JLOGIC]

Perfect auction, well bid! I don't like overcalling directly at all, but it does cater well to hands like this I guess

[Fluffy]

2♣ is a horrible overcall, the kind of bid that goes -800 againts failing game. But 3♣ over 2♥ is not completelly hopeless, I wouldn't bid it anyway.

[whereagles]

Indeed. I wouldn't bid 2♣ directly because it is my experience that

"11+ cards in opener suit + my own suit = pard has the opposite 55 and we don't make anything."

In this case pard appears not to have a 55 (no michaels cue or 2NT), so he either has a bucketload of hearts (in which case the worst that can happen is we go an extra down in 3♥) or residual club support. This makes 3♣ 2nd round more attractive.

[pooltuna]

If I had to blame anybody it would be South for entering a highly probable misfit auction where the opponents could have game values on shaky values of his own.

[kgr]

marcD, on 2011-January-10, 05:06, said:

I would not overcall 2♣ with this hand (not my style but works well on this hand) and i'm afraid 3♣ would definitely show at least some heart tolerance . Therefore pass is clear cut for me which is not a success looking at both hands ( no double no trouble) . I will reconsider if 2 ♥ get doubled (even then not so clear to run as partner figures to have a decent heart suit and possibly a heart diamond 2 suiter ; clearer to run at MP where the 2♥ is more likely to be some sort of prebalancing

Agree (only difference is maybe that I will hesitate less to run when they DBL).

[gnasher]

gwnn, on 2011-January-10, 05:25, said:

I always found that when I overcalled on suboptimal values / odr, the worst thing that happened was I got passed out and no partscore had any play. I suppose selective memory plays a role in my recollections, though.

Yes, that's another bad thing that might happen.

[dake50]

I do sympathize. Pass a 2H partial, when 5C on.
What methods are used? What is 3C>2H? A rescue? suit? Fit?
Why is 2H overcall? Instead of X?
Denies a 2nd place to play? Hopes to show 2nd?
Imagine if you will 1S <P> 1N <X>
. .2S <3C> p 3S(general F1) p 5C.
Is that from the Twilight Zone?

[MrAce]

I am an agressive overcaller but i would not bid 2♣ with N hand for the same reason most people already said.

I cant blame anyone in this auction to be honest.

[mtvesuvius]

No blame, and definitely no 2♣ overall. All actions were normal IMO.