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#1 User is offline   Winstonm 

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Posted 2005-June-09, 12:32

Scoring: IMP

Auction:
(S) (W) (N) (E)
1S- 2D- 2S- 3D
4D*-5D- P**-P
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4D* by agreement establishes a forcing pass situation.
P** I'd rather defend than bid on.

What's your solution?

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Posted 2005-June-09, 12:38

Dbl. Your hand is min. in the context. Pd's raise to 2S could be nothing. 4D has already showed more than I have.
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Posted 2005-June-09, 12:57

I would have just bid 4S over 3D. I will bid 5S since if partner couldn't crack them, it seems like they will make (i doubt we are cashing too many spades). Good vulnerability for the insurance anyways as it might be a double gamer.
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Posted 2005-June-09, 12:59

I always learned if they X you, that means they have a surprise, they know something you don't know. To redouble you need a really big surprise, something that THEY don't know, as well as good trumps.
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Posted 2005-June-09, 13:53

Obvious 5♠ for me :P May even make 6.
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Posted 2005-June-09, 14:00

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I would have just bid 4S over 3D.


Note, that rightly or wrongly, we have the agreement that here 4S would not establish a forcing pass - only 3N (artificial) or 4D do so.
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Posted 2005-June-09, 14:13

Pass

Read in some bridge magazine that the 5 level belongs to the OPP.

My partners prefer I follow Maxims rather than think on my own.

I would bid 3h to not establish a forcing pass then.
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Posted 2005-June-09, 14:16

I have only one defensive trick, so I don't DBL. I like to bid 5♥ as lead directing, but if this is impossible by partnership agreements, I bid a simple 5♠.
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Posted 2005-June-09, 14:33

An interesting question: what does a pass in a high-level forcing pass situation suggest? For me, it suggests bidding on. The reasoning is, if you double and partner's hand is radically unsuitable to defending, partner can always pull. But if you bid on, and partner clearly wants to defend, he can't retract your bid. So for me, pass indicates a desire to bid on, but willingness to defend if partner doubles. In this case the example hand is a clear 5♠ bid. Partner likely has nothing wasted in diamonds (otherwise would double).

I agree that this hand is more of a direct 4♠ bid than a 4♦ call -- are we sure we want to set up a forcing pass situation when we may quite possibly have less than half the strength and a substantial amount of our values in a 10+ card fit?
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Posted 2005-June-09, 14:48

Winstonm, on Jun 9 2005, 03:00 PM, said:

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I would have just bid 4S over 3D.


Note, that rightly or wrongly, we have the agreement that here 4S would not establish a forcing pass - only 3N (artificial) or 4D do so.

yes thats why i wouldnt bid 4D since it sets up an FP (not what i want to do).
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Posted 2005-June-09, 15:21

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yes thats why i wouldnt bid 4D since it sets up an FP (not what i want to do)


I would take it you mean that you would always bid on, then? Don't think a passout of 5D is in keeping with your style - if it is, the prom is OFF, LoL.

Close, but might not it be better to hear what partner has to say about bidding on?

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Posted 2005-June-09, 15:35

5♠, partner wants to defend with pass?, who cares he is wrong most of the time :-P
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Posted 2005-June-09, 15:51

Winstonm, on Jun 9 2005, 04:21 PM, said:

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yes thats why i wouldnt bid 4D since it sets up an FP (not what i want to do)


I would take it you mean that you would always bid on, then? Don't think a passout of 5D is in keeping with your style - if it is, the prom is OFF, LoL.

Close, but might not it be better to hear what partner has to say about bidding on?

WinstonM

No I just dont see why it cant be their hand. I would bid 4S and if partner cant X then I would bid 5S (as a save) but if he Xed I would pass. The problem with setting up an FP (to me) is that now partner will X with any bad hand and like, xx of diamonds because he doesn't want me to bid 5S. This way we may miss a good save. Also if the opps are sophisticated the 4D bid could put lefty under less pressure as he can X to suggest a save.
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Posted 2005-June-09, 17:36

i have a great offensive hand... unfortunately it looks like my lho might have a decent defensive hand (partner, naturally, has neither)

i'd have bid 3h over 3d, just in case, but now i think i'll bid just bid 5s and hope they were making
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Posted 2005-June-09, 17:41

Winstonm, on Jun 10 2005, 07:32 AM, said:

Scoring: IMP

Auction:
(S)  (W)  (N)  (E)
1S-  2D-  2S- 3D
4D*-5D-  P**-P
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4D* by agreement establishes a forcing pass situation.
P** I'd rather defend than bid on.

What's your solution?

WOW -- I would NOT have bid 4♦ but an immediate 4♠ :rolleyes: (i dont play FP btw ;) )---- and put opps th the guess (rather than set up a FP situation where I now have to guess what to do )
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Posted 2005-June-10, 03:07

Wd have bid 4♠ and at this vul I will go for the insurance now : 5♠

Btw if partner wants to defend when we are in a FP situation, he has to double ! If he passes he indicates a desire to bid on. This is standard, isn't it ? :unsure:

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Posted 2005-June-10, 07:59

5S.

I would not have set up a forcing pass seq. with this hand,
since I am not really interested in slam and not really
interested in defending.

I will get this message across best in bidding 4S, if partner
now doubles, he will have defensive outside spade.

With kind regards
Marlowe
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Posted 2005-June-10, 08:46

joker_gib, on Jun 10 2005, 05:07 AM, said:

Wd have bid 4♠ and at this vul I will go for the insurance now : 5♠

Btw if partner wants to defend when we are in a FP situation, he has to double ! If he passes he indicates a desire to bid on. This is standard, isn't it ? B)

Alain

Some people reverse the meaning of pass and double in forcing pass situations. In this case, the problem as posed follows this reverse the normal meaning.

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